Thursday, February 02, 2012

Civil rights depends on... Dana did *what*?!?

I had to read these two blog posts twice. Three times for Dana's.

I can recommend Valerie Keefe's blogpost, but Dana's? I'm quite stunned. I knew she wasn't so good at reading, but ... Really?!?

Okay, the nutshell version. Valerie Keefe, writing in The Huffington Post, argues that civil rights shouldn't depend on what's between your legs, nor how whatever is there got there. She further says that what you wear shouldn't matter. Civil rights depend on you being a person, basically. Cool. :-) 

I share that opinion and have sometimes (!) voiced it quite vociferously. :-)

In the middle of her Huffington Post piece, Ms Keefe introduces us to one of Dana Lane Taylor's more judgmental posts: the Transgender Borg Collective. ... ... ...  ... WTF?!?

Now that's interesting. The text of Dana's post has changed!!! I wonder why? 

Screenshot taken at 11:31:47AM
Cached version is from "Jan 9, 2012 19:23:18 GMT"

Here's the version as it looked when I clicked on the appropriate link:

Screenshot taken at 11:31:22AM

Wow. 

The relevant quote:
People always assume I have various stances on things without actually ever seeing the proof. I don’t consider myself “HBS/Classic Transsexual” nor do I push that on people. My philosophy is basically that if you claim to be a women who was born in a male body and you don’t want to repair this birth defect, you might not be a woman. Why would someone not want to fix this? I do have issue with those who claim a non-op status due to financial reasons. There are a lot of us who are fighting to get rights for medical treatments that are mandatory and to have insurance companies cover this treatment as they would for any other medical condition. Claiming that surgery is optional destroys this  effort. This is a serious issue! Those with transsexual histories, who are supporting the transgender community’s non-op is an option argument are helping to tear down any possibility of reforming insurance policies.  You have been assimilated into the Transgender Borg Collective and they are happy to have you there.  And yes, I have been lobbying my employer to remove the exclusion of mandatory triadic treatment from their health insurance policies so I take it personal. Do I not have a right to be angry at those who are damaging these efforts? I damned sure do! Yes, I am very angry about it.
Just to make sure  - here's a screen capture of the bit where Dana extolls on being "discovered":


I'm... I'm quite taken aback! 

The topic of this post was how could Dana be so silly? She acclaims the mention of her blog in The Huffington Post - and apparently missed where Ms Keefe said:
She's wrong. She's wrong with the heat of 10,000 suns, just as wrong as a cancer patient assuming that the existence of radiation therapy is making it impossible to get chemotherapy. She's wrong for advocating for a second that surgery be a precondition for basic human rights. She's wrong for assuming that genitalia are gender, and just as wrong as a French Court that assumed that a trans woman had to have a certain cup size to be a woman, and I shouldn't even need to draw attention to this any more than any other Internet crank who isn't writing laws or cheques to those who write laws, [...]
(It's immediately under the quote from Dana.)

Holy smokes. I'm quite at a loss. Dana just destroyed *any* credibility she had.

Talk about ... Well, whatever.

Word to the wise: Dana, change the post back. You own that site, I'm sure you can. Admit to being a bit angry and careless and doing something foolish. Apologize. And get back to your usual blether. You can recover some of your reputation; don't try to bullshit your way through, either.

If you don't, your credibility will stay shredded. As it is, very few will take you at all seriously after such a dumb move.

I love debate and the bazaar the internet gives us. But sometimes you have to wonder about folk. :-)

Carolyn Ann

Added: I decided to ask Ms Keefe when she retrieved the quote from Dana:

Hi, Valeria. I thought you made some telling points in this post. 
I'm curious: can you tell me when you retrieved the quote from Dana Lane Taylor? Because the blog post you refer to ("Transgender Borg Collective") has changed. It's now about "pimp slapping"! (Which is a copy of another of her blog posts, which was, specifically, about pimp slapping.)
Google has, as of January 9th, the same text as you. And I remember reading the words you quoted shortly after she wrote them. But this morning, the post, as I said, has changed.
I don't know if she'll tell me, or if HuffPo will "approve" the comment (apparently comment moderation is on for that post). I'll let you know. :-)

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11:52PM. Dana has left 6 comments on this post. Each one is angrier than the last.

Feb 5: Dana makes a few inane accusations in her commentary. I have challenged her to come up with the proof; at this point I think it's safe to say she can't because it doesn't exist. She's obviously got me confused with some other bloggers and didn't bother to check out her silly allegations. C'est la vie.

18 comments:

  1. Thanks for telling people I am important. What is this? Like Blog #23 for me from you? LOLLOL...dood, you are so cute in a dress.

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  2. And btw, did you not catch the awesomeness of what I did? Valerie is trying to use the Huffington Post to attack people (from a transgender borg perspective). This might likely end her attack vector. LOL..hugs you hairy armed man! But you look sooooo cute in a skirt and lipstick. SOOOOO CUTE!!

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  3. Oops, sorry..you cute "transgender". Is that what they call you now? In the past you were a man who crossdressed. But am I right that now you are a transgender woman? 100% woman 10% of the time? Or just when you are logged in sitting in your briefs with a huge boner but have a female avatar?

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  4. What do you know about women's issues? Please tell us all.

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  5. Do you think Gender discrimination should trump sex discrimination? BTW, where are your articles that show your outrage that ERA hasn't past in like the last 100 years?

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  6. btw, I intentionally changed the text of the article Valerie linked to because of this.

    1) She used HP to attack me
    2) They censored almost all of my comments that didn't even violate their TOS
    3) Valerie made her intent clear by saying:

    "No, you're important.­.. in that you're filling the role for Brennan and Hungerford that Janice Raymond did for the Reagan Administra­tion. " Which showed her true motive.

    LOLOLOL...Unlike other blogs I have total control over it because it is MY BLOG. I changed it to reflect the Transgender community threatening my friend Cathy Brennan. Wait, let me go look at the article you wrote denouncing that attack....back..didn't find a god damned thing. You are more for mens rights than women's rights.

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    1. I know it's your blog. I just think it's curious that you'd hide such a judgmental post. Especially after it was mentioned.

      (I think you're just venting on me because HuffPo wouldn't let you vent there! You know what? It's their website. They can choose to do that; or is it only something you're allowed to do?)

      Ah well. You come out of all this a Right Fucking Idiot, don't you?

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    2. Oh, don't feel bad. My comment wasn't posted, either! :-)

      Give me a clue on the post and I'll see if I can find it for you. But it'll have to be tomorrow; I'm on my way to bed.

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  7. Dana, you are one heck of an angry person.

    You don't stand for women's rights. You stand for nothing. You merely try to be a desperate victim.

    Get help, really.

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  8. I saved the other post and will restore it soon. In the comment section Valerie pointed out that I was important and then mentioned Cathy and Elizabeth and compared me to Janice Raymond. So, it was only fitting that I replaced the text of the article to highlight and attack on those two ladies from the transgender community. I wonder if I can go find an article you wrote calling out Anthony Casebeer and Monica Roberts? Probably not. Does that say a lot about you? Me thinks so.

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    1. What article? If I've written such a thing, it'll be on this blog. (Who the heck is Anthony Casebeer? The name doesn't ring any bells.)

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    2. You must be thinking of someone else. I've never heard of Anthony Casebeer. Who is he?

      I've got two posts about Monica Roberts; both are pretty old. One from mid-last year and another from 2009.

      So when am I supposed to have written this mysterious post? What did I say in it?

      Anyway, if as I said: if I wrote such a post, it would still be up. I don't delete posts. I'll put a strikeout through the text, and apologize, if needed, but I don't delete stuff.

      Tell you what: if I ever did write such a thing, Google probably has a copy in their cache.

      So what does that say about you?

      Don't forget, you're the one who went railing on about me calling myself a woman when I've *never* done any such thing. (You never did prove I'd claimed that, did you? Perhaps that's because you couldn't! :-) )

      Perhaps you're projecting?

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  9. btw, contact community-support@huffingtonpost.com as they are the only ones that will actually reply and do something. I complained about the censorship. They seem to censor trans articles more than any other article category on HP. If it isn't warm and fuzzy, they delete it, which is bullshit.

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    1. Nah. It's not important enough.

      You're the one who looks like an idiot. I just wanted to spread the news that you couldn't stand by your own words. (Just part of the service I provide. :-D )

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  10. BTW, I think I will take my advice about feminism from someone that doesn't exploit the sex stereotypes as someone who crossdresses does. Thanks for the advice, though.

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    1. Feminism? I don't believe I've ever offered you advice on feminism. I do think I've offered you advice on being honest. In fact, I'd say that's the advice I offered in this post!

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  11. Yes, this is me. Open ID hates me for some reason...

    Anyway, I hadn't seen the amendment to her piece, I have quoted the relevant section, it will remain on Huffpo, and barring that, it's also in every wayback machine you could desire to have, so I really don't care if she's decided to rewrite her piece. As I said to Dana when she commented on my article, I view her work with Brennan and Hungerford as about as essential to this wave of trans extermination as Janice Raymond's was to the Reagan Administration.

    I try to read her as little as possible, much like the deliberately degendering articles that some have tried to float. I will not dignify their libel, relying on the strictures of a cissexist society, except to identify it as such.

    I'm the kind of woman who is proudly trans, and that proudly bit? Includes having the self-respect to refuse to associate and politically ally myself with people who would refer to me as a 'trans.'

    http://endablog.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/for-those-who-think-a-dressed-up-toned-down-academic-y-touchy-feely-paper-from-a-crackpot-trans-eliminationist-should-just-be-ignored/#comment-7478

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    1. Sorry, Valerie - Google told me I had to approve your comment. I have no idea why. :-(

      "Amendment" - try "replacement"! :-) She replaced the entire thing. Although she assures my readers (but not hers, I wonder why), that she has the original. As if that mattered. I've already pointed out it's in Google's cache.

      I think Dana has some confidence issues, and might be verging on depression; "I'm important" is something depressives need to tell themselves. (I kinda know this because I've been there.) Ah well. She needs to help herself; being the Ron Paul of that miserable goldfish bowl isn't "important". Still, her life. She can relish the limitations of her thinking all she wants.

      I'll take a read of that ENDAblog article you link to.

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